@david elliott yes, it is as you say - time will tell, but if you have the same laws why don't you all do this? at the very least it would be an administrative nightmare for "those who dare not speak its name". and a just one for the lack of communication and at best you get a refund.

Nice, I came to post the Engadget article on Pivothead too. One thing for sure, if these do come out in April I'll be getting one and never looking back.

Yes, Pivothead appear to be right on target with there launch date. You can become a fan and
get a $25.00 discount off the price. Back when I first found them the price of the Recon was
$295.00 now they are all $349.00. They are a lot like the Active i that I have. You can NOT make changes in the specifications with the Active i, however I am having fun with them and am thinking about getting a pair of the Pivotheads also.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/22/pivothead-video-glasses-hands-on/

@ripamonti - The Google glasses are old news here, and they are not the same thing as the ZionEyez glasses. If you are hoping for ZionEyez glasses to be a HUD like the Google glasses, you are going to be even more disappointed than you are now.

Eric, we have these laws in the US, as well. The way it works for us is that we dispute the charge, and the credit card company puts the charge into a special status - it's not gone, it's just pending review. The vendor is given time to contest the charge, and it can take a few months before you are guaranteed that the charge won't come back. It may be that ZionEyez won't bother to dispute yours, but they may. I'm really interested in hearing what happens with your case.

@david elliott as i commented, i live in the UK. here we have consumer protection with regard to credit cards. as there has been no response from zioneyes/zeyes/latestname, and the product has not been delivered, the chargeback is made autonomously by the credit card company. they do not wait for a response from the vendors. it is up to the vendor to contest the charge back and, in this case, how can they?

Looks like Google will be offering something much better soon: http://gizmodo.com/5887152/googles-mystery-hud-glasses-could-be-on-sale-by-the-holidays

By the time ZionEyez comes out the technology will be old news.

I just heard a summer 2012 ship date. Can post the text of the email if wanted. I would expect some type of update to come out shortly.

@David -- Ah, I see. So they buy time by not announcing anything, and enough time passes that we cannot charge back...

@ozymandius - I don't think that they are at a point yet where they are concerned about this. There's enough information out there that tells us that they aren't sure when they are going to ship, and their lack of stating a firm ship date (and I mean a firm date - no "season" and no "expect") protects them. We have no real basis for a lawsuit yet. The only reason that people have a basis on the hanfree project is that the creator stated that the product would not be made. ZionEyez hasn't said anything of the sort.
I'm still curious to see how Eric G's chargeback works out. I've been through this before, and it's not just as simple as telling your credit card provider that you were promised something that didn't ship. This process can take several months, and the company is given an opportunity to respond.

@Eric G - Let us know how ZionEyes deals with your chargeback. When did you initiate the chargeback? What reason did you give?

@Garcia -- if enough backers start organizing, they will to avoid a law suit

There's no way they would issue refunds. If anything you would have to call your credit card company and try to get a refund that way

Zion Eyez,
Have you managed to implement a refund mechanism yet? I give up on this project, and would like my money back.

Dave,
They have deliberately not updated any concrete information after they missed 'Winter 2011'. They have been vague, and offered only excuses, not information.

Ok, not trying to start a flame war but has anybody heard anything other than 'winter season 2011' for a ship date? Like most on here I paid in July and did so because I REALLY like the concept and want the product not necessarily my money back.

Information other than marketecture and spam would be much appreciated.

I see a lot of anger and some complacency in the comments on this project. I think action needed is elsewhere. I am pleased to report I got a chargeback on this dismal failure. Fortunately for me I live in the uk where we are protected in law against this sort of thing.

Im still going to give them the benefit of the doubt and not jump to conclusions though yes I am upset their business practices are so casual and late.

Though for all you really angry backers, might I suggest making a ZionEyez page each on facebook to complain about it? Then join everyone elses. Thatd be 2,089 pages with 2,089 members on each.I If my math is correct. Since ZionEyez deletes your comments on their own page, make your own. If you all do that next time someone goes to search ZionEyez's facebook page theyll get tons of negatively named search results.

Ferdinand, one thing Kickstarter already does is to prevent people from having multiple active projects going at the same time. Also, it appears that they do some background checks on people first, so it would be hard for someone to do as you propose without scamming Kickstarter itself. I'm just saying that an eBay-like rating system doesn't really help. A smart scammer is going to hide their tracks. I don't think that ZionEyes is a scam at this point. I just think that they are very poor business people. What makes this project different from the equally late (and also without a firm ship date) Hex Bright project is the lack of communication. Lots of projects are late, but ZionEyes has lots of annoyed backers because they are being shifty.

My Name:leoyuen
Comments:To whom it may concern,

I have previously had made a payment/transaction online in July 2011, but still have not received the product.  I’ve also haven’t received any details regarding the postage, and would like to know more details regarding the deliver and my postage situation.  Please find the payment details below regarding the transaction:

Payment details:
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Transaction ID: 166ZJBQU63SM8V2SJI7E91TF5SMIFOMGMRK
Recipient: ZionEyez LLC
Amount: $150.00
For: Pledging $150.00 to EyezTM by ZionEyez HD Video Recording Glasses for Facebook on Kickstarter.
Payment method: Mastercard XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-0013
Reference: KICKSTARTER COM

Thanks you & Regards
Leo Yuen

Personally, I am going to be contacting each and every award organization that nominates Zion Eyez for any sort of award, and make sure they understand the vaporware aspect, and the fact that this product is appearing to be a scam. Until I either get a refund, or concrete updates, I am going to do everything in my power to prevent these con artists from milking another dime from anyone.

It's Me Again. I must strongly suggest (and protest once more) to any visible obvious branding that would give away that the glasses are Zeyez (logo) or hint that they are recording (blinking LED).

Since we last spoke, this little thing called The Arab Spring and Occupy Wall Street happened. Protestors took to the street, many of them armed with cameras and live streaming. Police forces both Western and Eastern continents have expressly banned the use of social media, or simply taken it upon themselves to seize cameras and cellphones, or use the people holding them as target practice.

People trying to make a change by holding others accountable for their actions, put their lives at risk when they hold up a camera. Zeyez can save lives. Even American journalists have been shot for filming on public street.

Please don't paint us -- Zeyez owners -- with large blood stained bullseyes on or heads.

Saving a life is more important than brand recognition. Keeping your product from being seized by unconscionable authority is more important than selling them.

Here's what those who work at Kickstarter care about: http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/kickstarters-double-million-dollar-day.php

That's a $100,000 pure profit day for them. Once they get their cut, they're done with it. They wash their hands and it's on to the next hustle.

Basically they're a bunch of "fluffers". Do a google to find out what a fluffer does for a living. They get paid for getting us excited enough to give money to their clients so they can reach their "goal". In the case of Zioneyez, it appears the goal was to get the money.

After the money's been squirted out, they've got other things to do.

Nothing's gonna happen until we get pissed off enough to make things happen. I'll bet 95% of the backers are just going to sit back, take the loss and chalk it up to the fact that they've been losers all their lives so one more loss is no big deal. That leaves about a hundred of us that are going to have to do something if anything is going to ever happen. I put up a blog where we can organize and figure out what we're going to do. I don't have the resources to get the job done by myself.

It's not time for anonymous to get involved, it's time for the backers to get involved instead of sitting back and waiting for someone else to do it.

it's time for anonymous to get involved.

and yeah, i don't plan to fund another kickstarter project..once burned..

David Elliott, i'm sure if Kickstarter wanted to they could put in some kind of vetting, rating thing. I know it wouldn't be perfect. But if we realize that anyone could con and there really isn't any way of knowing..wait. I'm going to quit my job, and put a 100 good sounding projects (just like eyez) and string you along, then walk away with the dough:)

Once 'bad guys' know they can do this and see an opporunity, they will flood it. Kickstarter could be the equivalate of Craiglist to Ebay, until someone develops an Ebay model (better, not great) of Kickstarter...i'm sure that thought is flowing in the minds of people

Update 17 continues to to pretend that none of the messages posted on this comments forum have ever been written.
Perhaps blowing the whistle to some of these "award" agencies mentioned in these "updates" might work since complaints to KickStarter only result in "Pablum" responses.

When I said "stave off a lawsuit", I meant that he's trying to prevent it from happening. There are serious threats, but he has been promising a plan to refund the money.

@david -- how did that lawsuit get started? It seems like an option here -- that project only raised 1/10 of the funds raised here.....

I really hope each and every outraged person sends a message directly to Kickstarter, and not just posts here. Kickstarter and ZionEyez are both likely ignoring this page.

I WILL NO LONGER FUND ANY PROJECT ON KICKSTARTER. There have been a couple other projects on here I've been interested in. These douche bags aren't just screwing us, they're screwing all the honest people with good ideas. If they miss the projected delivery date, refunds should become an option. Not everyone will want one but those of us that care about honesty and punctuality should be afforded the opportunity to withdraw our support. This ZionEyez fraud/theft/con should mark the beginning of the end for Kickstarter. Kickstarter = aiding and abetting fraudsters.

The kickstarter page still shows Winter 2011. That's the shipment window applied to the 2106 people who backed through Kickstarter. Anything done through the preorder page would apply to summer 2012

On the Zioneyez site faq it shows

When will I receive my Eyez™?
Your Eyez glasses will ship during this Summer, 2012. The ZionEyez distribution team will keep you notified of all updates on your shipment.

@Ron: you hear them laugh? the ppl at Kickstarter? because they don't give a single shit about us now! It's a fight between us Backers and those bastards from ZionEyez!

THIS IS MY POST TO KICKSTARTER

I just want you to know that I will no Longer Participate in any Kickstarter Project. First of all It appears that KICKSTARTER does nothing
to protect the interest of backers in general. It appears that your mission of seeing projects funded has no safety net for the backer.

This is fundamentally flawed and needs to be addressed. After watching the Zioneyes fiasco unfold I will NO LONGER FUND ANY
PROJECT ON KICKSTARTER AND I AM GOING TO MAKE IT A POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT FACEBOOK AND OTHER SITES THAT
KICKSTARTER PARTICIPATES IN ARE AWARE OF THE FLAWED RESPONSE TO A PROJECT THAT GETS FUNDED BUT DOESN'T DELIVER.

@Ferdinand, a review system really only works if you expect people to do multiple projects, and it's pretty easy for backers to check past projects already (as long as people complain). There's certainly no impetus for Kickstarter to provide any kind of rating system because it would only point out problems with their business model. Also, our current business climate doesn't really punish failures. For example, if you search for "hanfree" on Kickstarter, you will find a project that has failed to produce a product and a project manager who is trying to stave off a lawsuit while coming up with the money to refund the backers. If you search for "hanfree" on Google, you will find lots of articles describing and recommending the product, even though it doesn't exist and probably won't ever exist.

Who out there has twitter?

After seeing that they form-lettered engadget...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/zioneyez-becomes-zeyez-wants-you-to-know-its-still-watching/

I'm a little MORE concerned. It's like a failed new years resolution to "finally finish that project I raised $350k for" Little bursts of motivation that go nowhere.

Anyway. I'm wondering out of the 2106 people on here, how many actually check the page regularly, and how many have twitter accounts.

My suggestion is determining a date sometime in the near future. I'd suggest the first day of Spring 2012. March 20th I believe.

On this day, if 'zeyez' have failed to meet their shipment date. (I still feel like "winter 2011" ended on December 31st) And if we don't have legitimate answers from either them, or kickstarter... we twitter bomb the heck out of @kickstarter

I too see many projects I WOULD support on here, but can't bring myself to laying down money for them after whats happened here. It's disappointing really, because now I could never use kickstarter myself either. It's almost embarrassing to be involved.

I'm thinking if a few hundred people all post stuff like "Help us get our money back @kickstarter #zioneyezisascam" all in a coordinated effort, we might draw some realistic attention to this.

I guess there is no way to vet a project when you donate? Someone pops up with some great idea - an idea in demand, great marketing and salesmanship, and in reality a big con? How do you protect against that? When you signed on all everyone got was exactly that, the 'prospectus' was minimal. There are really no guarantees to what you pledge. I suppose you have to expect a (high?) failure rate for someone just putting an 'ad' on for donation money. Too bad there isn't a rating type thing so when you pledge you have an idea of the probability of success? A rating /ranking system...

I'm SO sick of those lazy bastards! Brent Burroff, Evan Lindquist, and Joe Taylor are a pile of lying dumbs! this sucks so hard.. ZionEyez is a company, which I will never-ever support again! no way!

@Garcia85 -- make sure you let Kickstarter know your feelings. They are not likely to be reading this page on a regular basis. Let them know that Brent Burroff, Evan Lindquist, and Joe Taylor are having a negative impact on Kickstarter's income stream.

I always see cool projects being started up on this site but supporting this one was a mistake, in all honesty I don't think I'll be supporting another project on kickstartet ever.

Maybe it's about time we begin warning backers of other projects in here to get the full attention from the Kickstarter team. It feels like they are not taking this serious and hope that if they keep a low profile, the problem will just go away? And what about the money Kickstarter have received from this project? Just wondering!

ozy, I got the exact same canned response today.

james, people have posted about those glasses twice already.

@James,
Please make sure to let Kickstarter know by using the 'Contact Us' links. The more people tell them that, the more seriously they take this issue, and push Brent Burroff, Evan Lindquist, or Joe Taylor, the masterminds behind this little scam.

Hi, so for $65 you can get a pair of spy glasses from china instead

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4GB-HD-720P-Spy-Glasses-Camera-Eyewear-Mini-DV-DVR-Sunglasses-Video-Recorder-New-/110798773583...

This was the first project I funded on Kickstarter and after this experience I'm not sure if I'll fund another project.

From Kickstarter:
Katherine, Feb 13 16:43 (EST):

Hi there,

We've reached out to the project creator multiple times and are continuing to monitor the situation.

Best,
Katherine