Kickstarter

Creator Brian Cherry 3 days ago

Yeah, I've stopped backing kickstarter projects until I see how this one is handled. Nothing official - just not interested anymore.

Creator Chris Schnick 4 days ago

@Brady Sadler, I have tried to get a refund, sending emails, posting complaints, etc... I never got one. I just quit worrying about it. It still pisses me off to no end! It seems like a lot of companies and entrepreneurs turn a deaf ear after they get OUR money. So I will take my lumps from this as a lesson learned. My newest and best form of protest: I WILL NEVER BACK A KICKSTARTER PROJECT AGAIN!

I am proud to say I have been Kickstarter free since March 21st, 2013 and holding strong!

Creator Brady Sadler 5 days ago

@Robert Nelson, many have tried, but no news of success. Part of me thinks that because they aren't on here complaining about it still, they might have gotten their requested refunds. I'm still waiting for the game, myself. And I'm pretty bummed to not be getting it until August (I'm predicting) at the earliest...

Creator Robert Nelson 6 days ago

So no news about this game in almost a month, has anyone tried to get their money back?

Creator NasosP on April 26

About the estimate: Emmanuel commented on BGG the following

"While this belongs to the DDD forums, I can tell you that we plan on launching the next DDD campaign once everyone has their AIYP copies (and their Up Front, as well). My hope is that the DDD KS will take place in October-November, and of course, all the Line-for-Lifers will receive the new DDD expansions free of charge."

It only makes sense that the plan is for everyone to have their copies of AiyP by October-November (emphasis on "plan").

Creator JamesP on April 25

Robert, I'm all for letting the guys work and get this out...however, Radiant Games was also just ordered to deposit $275k with the Courts due to the legal issues surrounding Valley Games. So I don't think an update is unreasonable...

Creator Brady Sadler on April 25

A new estimate would be enough of an update for me.

Creator Terence Bowlby on April 25

I'd like an update on delivery for this, as well as what's happening with D-Day Dice.

Creator Robert Masson on April 24

Jeeze guys, let the man work in peace.

Creator JamesP on April 24

Rik... Any update? I'm trying to keep myself from becoming 'that guy', but with the legal issues surrounding Valley Games and Radiant getting pulled into them... I don't think I'm out of line asking for a weekly update. I know you can't / won't comment on the legal issues, but something of an action tracker or check-off list or count down to shipping would be great.

Creator Brady Sadler on April 18

Interesting little update from the designer, Emmanuel. I really hope the ambiguous "this year" doesn't mean September-October. I definitely wouldn't have added D-Day Dice to my pledge if I knew that, as I could have much easier bought retail already :P

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/963823/some-news-a-promise-and-some-gifts

Creator Adán Tejada on April 12

There are KS backers that are complaining that a tabletop project is a month behind schedule? I think those folks might need to look at the TON of other projects that didn't hit their deadlines by way more than one month (I've backed over 80 projects, believe me, it's common).

This is not a retail website. It is a crowd-sourcing site for new projects, companies and other endeavors. New things sometimes don't go as quickly as expected. It's the same in any industry.

THANK YOU to Rik & company for the recent art updates. Please keep those coming. Best of luck with the legal issues and take your time, do it right.

Creator Joe Crawford on April 11

I wish Kickstarter project creators would offer REALISTIC timelines for the production and distribution of their projects. It's a bit like builders who tell you a job will take 6 weeks and 3 months later they're still banging around. I have backed a few things and, as yet, not one has been delivered on time. I don't expect people delivering their first project or trying to establish a small business to be 'ruthlessly efficient' but by the same token getting projects delivered at least close to the promised date would be nice. My advice would be: work out how long you think it will take to deliver your project then double that length of time...if it gets done earlier everyone is happy, if not, you end up where we are now with people demanding refunds and bailing out on the project. On the flip side, I don't think pulling out of a project which is still a going concern is particularly helpful either. Perhaps it would be a prudent move, public relations-wise, to offer some sort of 'sorry this has taken so long' bonus. It needn't be anything over-the-top just a token rewarding backers' patience.

Creator Martin Gregory on April 11

I am in this until the end, but I'd really like to emphasize that regular updates showing the progress on the different elements of the game is very reassuring to see. If the game is delayed then it will match the 95% of other game projects I've backed having been delayed to varying lengths, so I have no issue there in waiting that bit longer for a quality product. Thanks for the recent updates and please keep them coming!

Creator Rob Grealy on April 10

Thanks for the Update guys.

Rik, no one minds AIYP taking longer than scheduled (it is par for the course for us KS backers ...), just give us a few more updates and let us know you and Emmanuel and co are alive and well :)

Hope everything sorts works out for you Emmanuel ... life can be an arse at times,

Rob

Creator Mark Horneff on April 10

Seems things are still moving along. Good luck Rik with getting over the hurdles and getting the game out.

Creator Jonathan Maisonneuve on April 10

I asked for a refund but didn't get any answer yet. What's the deal?

Creator Douglas Tibbs on April 8

Some updates for Up Front, how about some info over here?

Creator Chris Schnick on April 7

Thanks for the info Stephen!
I will be getting in touch with my credit card company on Monday.
It is because of this project and a few others (this one by far being the worst!), that I am not and will not be backing another project on Kickstarter! I would rather wait for a project to hit the store shelves than ever have to put up with crap like this again.

Creator Stephen Corby on April 7

After asking for a refund and getting no response from Rik, and since Amazon payments 105 day deadline since taking the payment has passed for them to refund my money, I had no choice but to contact my credit card company. Since the due date has passed and the creator of the project is not even answering any requests, they credited my account for my full pledge amount. I assume they will go after the money from Rik themselves. If you used a credit card to pay for this and are not getting anywhere with your request for a refund, I suggest you do the same and you are likely to see your money. My guess is if that enough people do this, the credit card companies and Amazon payments and Kickstarter will have no choice but to enact new rules about how refunds get processed after a project fails to meet its deadline.

Creator Terence Bowlby on April 4

Update on ETA please.

Creator Malcolm Thornton on April 2

I will endeavour to be respectful and considerate. I am a UK pledger after all!!
So, when am I really going to get what I pledged my $105 (plus $30 for shipping) for back in September? The guy who took my money suggested March 2013 as a delivery date. It is now April 2013 and no sign of any goods.
Me thinks I have placed too much trust in this US of A "Kickstarter" thingy and I may see my goods some time soon, or maybe not at all. I placed a similar pledge, (more fool me, and even more $'s in fact, for Up Front), which seems to be going even more "breasts-up", as we kind of say here in the dear old naive "Blighty".
I have read a few of the comments on this trail (before I got bored) about why poor old developer chappie cannot meet his commitments. Suffice to say, what a crock. Why should I be interested in excuses? That's a rhetorical question btw. I am not. The developer chappie has had over $100K for over 6 months, 3 times more than he asked for, and still cannot deliver.
Twice bitten, but never again. I may get my goods in the end, but these have not been delivered with the same enthusiasm you guys took my (our) money.
Disgruntled pledger (realise now, gambler) from the UK.
Just needed to get it off my chest, as we say.
MLB on ESPN America is fantastic btw. So nothing against the USA per se !!

Creator Eric on March 28

@ Robert : On the left side of the table was a copy of AIYP, on the right side was UP Front. Time 9:50.

Creator Robert Masson on March 28

Are you sure that was AIYP? I saw Up Front and what looked like to possibly be the Up Front and AIYP crossover. Can you give the time stamp please, I'm dumb/lazy.

Creator Brian Cherry on March 27

"We have much of the art laid out and ready to go to the printer. The figures are being manufactured now. Ship date will likely be in April."

So, what is the ETA looking like now, Rik?

Creator Eric on March 27

Just watched this preview of the gama trade show by tom vasel.
Good news is that the prototype of this game is in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch…

Creator Martin Gregory on March 27

@Cole
Have you forgotten then to withdraw from the six other projects you're currently pledging to?

Creator njl deuze on March 26

Creator Rik Falch on March 9

Rik offered a refund

@ Dwayne - As mentioned, we had no updates for Airborne and we apologized for not at least saying something - we were in the wrong. As for which we are focussed on, it is now BOTH. It just means some longer nights and some discussions with the printer for tandem operations.
However, if you do not see this as a reasonable answer we will be more than willing to refund you your pledge.

Creator Wesley on March 25

Not sure why you think it's so foolish, I've seen more than few project creators offer refunds. Unless I've misunderstood what you meant.

Creator Greg on March 25

There was an update 5 days ago, the art is still being done. It does not appear the project has been abandoned by any means. If you want to be disappointed about the delay that's understandable. What I dont get is what do you expect from a legality perspective? If your involved with open legislation it would be foolish to respond to comments on message boards concerning the finer details. One poor judgement in posting something stupid could cost you the case.

@LJ it is a rude comment but such a foolish concept as a refund on kickstarter deserved something beyond silently ignoring.

Creator Tony Carson on March 25

I asked for a refund last Tuesday, haven't heard anything. I'm pretty much writing it off, so getting either my $ back or the game I paid for will be a pleasant surprise. Not that losing 70$ doesn't hurt, but it's not like I can do much about it.
I've backed 15 things, mostly games, and while I might not have enjoyed all the games I've gotten as much as I thought I would, apart from 3 that recently closed, I've gotten everything I expected in a reasonable amount of time.
There's definitely something to be learned from the way KS has evolved; large companies using it; projects as preorders; the use of stretch goals; etc. I'm not sure where I stand on a lot of it but until now I was reasonably satisfied and sometimes very pleased with KS. Granted, what allegedly happened here is (hopefully) very much an outlier.

Creator LJ on March 25

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Creator LJ on March 25

@Greg
You're comment is rude; don't be such a snob.
Thanks!

Creator Cole Hays on March 24

As a backer of 47 projects, all board games, I can safely say that kickstarter is a sucker's bet, with project organizers who are mostly incompetent people who care a lot, and communicate a lot...until the project is funded. Then, they are like Keyser Soze, you will never hear from them again...I have funded my last project, this is a failed system.

Creator Greg on March 23

@LJ I remember when I didn't understand how kickstarter works.

Creator Robert Masson on March 22

I don't care, just give me what I paid for.

Creator Chris Schnick on March 20

I'm with ya LJ!

Creator LJ on March 20

Half the problem is that Rik hasn't let us know enough since this project funded, so I have to disagree with the idea that he'll let us know and that his backers are a priority. There's just no evidence of that.

Additionally, Rik has stated here that he'll offer the refund.
I have no problem asking for it.

Creator Rob Grealy on March 19

Guys, it's no use moaning on what is or isn't ...

I'm sure when Rik knows what is happening he will let us know and I'm sure his first concern (after family and his business) is his backers.

Just chill and wait for an answer.

And as I was told when I was a young lad, "Never gamble with money you can't afford to lose ..."

Kickstarter is never 100% (and I've backed 20+ projects with over $2,500 since October last year).

You won't be able to get a refund as the money is most likely now frozen in the legal process and I doubt Rik will have the money out of his own pocket.

If the company you worked for had legal problems, could you afford to bail them out with your own money ???

I couldn't ...

Just wait everyone and remember Rik is a person and is probably more upset with what is happening than you are.

Rob

Creator njl deuze on March 17

Hi Rick, its been 7 days whitout Any response for my refund i tried to contact you now on 3 different ways.

Creator LJ on March 16

Hi Rik,

Still waiting for a reply to the email I sent you. I'd like to know how to get a refund.
Thanks

Creator Daniel Plantenberg on March 11

I totally agree.

Creator dajebriza on March 11

Thanks for the summary, Peter, that really helps me understand what is going on and where I stand in all of this. The issue of what the details are with the lawsuits between Phillip and Valley Games is not my concern as who knows what the true details of these cases are. My concern as a backer is that I hope I get the product I backed and paid for and hope Rik is able to fulflill our orders and deliver the products. Hopefully he wants to see these great games and labors of love become a reality just as we all do. Hopefully these legal issues can be settled quicky and to the best possible outcome to all parties involved, and that includes us as well.

Creator Daniel Plantenberg on March 11

Yeah, the whole situation is, to use a WWII term, Totally Fubar. I guess we just wait, listen, and hope.

Creator Nicholas Sylvain-Obsidian Tormentor on March 10

@Peter - well, being registered as a Texas company means they can be sued in Texas, but in terms of collecting on a money judgment, I think you have to do that where the assets are located (which may, or may not, be Texas) - I'm sure that explains why (at least in part) there were prior suits in California and Pennsylvania.

Creator Peter McAndrew on March 10

@Nicholas: Again, not a lawyer, but I think that if Radiant Gaming is registered as a Texas company then all of their assets would be subject to Texas law.